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Submitted by wyrm419 7/5/2012 3:02:00 PM {time} ago in Community Feedback
please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing... wyrm
And let the owner delete a review after some amount of time....
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
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ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
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Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
-------Original Message-------
ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
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ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
-------Original Message-------
ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
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BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
-------Original Message-------
ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
Two options work well in my mind. You could...
1) Have each review self delete or archive after a period of time has passed. I would say 6 months atleast.
Or...
2) Have a continually rolling system where only the most recent 50 reviews are visible on your profile page.
Each has their pros and cons. For instance, the first option would render a returning player completely without characteristic, since their reviews would most likely be gone when they came back. The second option would be a little unnerving for an extremely active player, since their reviews would be akin to a "wham bam, thank you ma'am" situation. But I do think that eiher option would serve the community well in terms of helping to define each player as accurately as possible.
Something else we could incorporate in response to negative reviews is a response option, kind of like what EBay did before they went all communist against sellers. When someone submits a negative review on your profile, you have the option of giving your rebuttal right underneath it. That way if someone sees the negative review, they can immediately see your side of the story and then draw their own conclusion.
The Knockout Kid
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Lunar Savage wrote: I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
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BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
-------Original Message-------
The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
-------Original Message-------
ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I find I look back... If youbcan leave a new review, and you can manually delete an old one, does it matter that an arbitrary limit is needed?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
-------Original Message-------
The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
-------Original Message-------
The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
-------Original Message-------
ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
How many people are going to dig through potentially pages and pages of reviews just to find theirs in order to delete it? This is also about ease of access as well. Again, this could also be resolved by allowing 1 review per game.
The Knockout Kid
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BlueSky wrote: I find I look back... If youbcan leave a new review, and you can manually delete an old one, does it matter that an arbitrary limit is needed?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
-------Original Message-------
The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
-------Original Message-------
The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
-------Original Message-------
ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
Thanks everyone, you're coming up with a lot great ideas about player reviews & ratings.
We agree that the entire reviews/ratings system needs to be revamped.
It's definitely an area that almost every area has pretty strong pros and cons. And a delicate balance to keep it working in a way that constructive to the community.
Some simple (non-controversial) ideas that we're pretty sure we'll go with:
1) Make all the reviews sortable. By date (oldest to newest, newest to oldest), by rating (highest to lowest, lowest to highest), by reviewer Alias (asc, desc), etc.
2) Add an N/A or "not rated" option on the individual catagories (and adjust the math for the avarages to correctly account for that).
3) For each review, rather than just an average, show the selection for each category. (maybe make showing details or not selectable by the reviewer).
4) An easy click to simaltaneously view cross reviews between two players at the same time.
We like the idea of giving the player being reviewed an ability to add a rebuttal in-line.
We like the idea of giving the player being reviewed some kind of control of what is and isn't displayed (within some kind of limitations) on his profile.
We like the idea of being able to leave multiple reviews.
If the reviewer, the reviewee, or a moderator makes a decision to delete something, that's one thing. But deleting something because an arbitrary count or date was passed, we're not a fan of.
Another idea we've discussed in Anonymous reviews.
Should or shouldn't players be allowed to leave anonymous reviews?
The interface would of course be made as user friendly as we possibly can make it.
Take the example Knockout mentions, if we end up going with a system the allows multiple reviews, when you were writing/editing a review, we'd put all your reviews of that player on the screen at same time so they'd be right there in front of you to edit as as you see fit without having to go hunting for them.
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The Knockout Kid wrote: How many people are going to dig through potentially pages and pages of reviews just to find theirs in order to delete it? This is also about ease of access as well. Again, this could also be resolved by allowing 1 review per game.
The Knockout Kid
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BlueSky wrote: I find I look back... If youbcan leave a new review, and you can manually delete an old one, does it matter that an arbitrary limit is needed?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
-------Original Message-------
The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
-------Original Message-------
The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
-------Original Message-------
ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
The other way around. A player reads others reviews of them and can remove them if they like. One review per game sounds fine...
-------Original Message-------
The Knockout Kid wrote: How many people are going to dig through potentially pages and pages of reviews just to find theirs in order to delete it? This is also about ease of access as well. Again, this could also be resolved by allowing 1 review per game.
The Knockout Kid
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: I find I look back... If youbcan leave a new review, and you can manually delete an old one, does it matter that an arbitrary limit is needed?
-------Original Message-------
Lunar Savage wrote: I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
-------Original Message-------
BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
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ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
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Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
Soynds great!
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Management wrote:
Thanks everyone, you're coming up with a lot great ideas about player reviews & ratings.
We agree that the entire reviews/ratings system needs to be revamped.
It's definitely an area that almost every area has pretty strong pros and cons. And a delicate balance to keep it working in a way that constructive to the community.
Some simple (non-controversial) ideas that we're pretty sure we'll go with:
1) Make all the reviews sortable. By date (oldest to newest, newest to oldest), by rating (highest to lowest, lowest to highest), by reviewer Alias (asc, desc), etc.
2) Add an N/A or "not rated" option on the individual catagories (and adjust the math for the avarages to correctly account for that).
3) For each review, rather than just an average, show the selection for each category. (maybe make showing details or not selectable by the reviewer).
4) An easy click to simaltaneously view cross reviews between two players at the same time.
We like the idea of giving the player being reviewed an ability to add a rebuttal in-line.
We like the idea of giving the player being reviewed some kind of control of what is and isn't displayed (within some kind of limitations) on his profile.
We like the idea of being able to leave multiple reviews.
If the reviewer, the reviewee, or a moderator makes a decision to delete something, that's one thing. But deleting something because an arbitrary count or date was passed, we're not a fan of.
Another idea we've discussed in Anonymous reviews.
Should or shouldn't players be allowed to leave anonymous reviews?
The interface would of course be made as user friendly as we possibly can make it.
Take the example Knockout mentions, if we end up going with a system the allows multiple reviews, when you were writing/editing a review, we'd put all your reviews of that player on the screen at same time so they'd be right there in front of you to edit as as you see fit without having to go hunting for them.
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The Knockout Kid wrote: How many people are going to dig through potentially pages and pages of reviews just to find theirs in order to delete it? This is also about ease of access as well. Again, this could also be resolved by allowing 1 review per game.
The Knockout Kid
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BlueSky wrote: I find I look back... If youbcan leave a new review, and you can manually delete an old one, does it matter that an arbitrary limit is needed?
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Lunar Savage wrote: I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
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BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
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ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
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Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
set a base that will not go below... then lose theoldest above the base every 3 months, or three games
wyrm
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Lunar Savage wrote: I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
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BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
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ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
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Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
They should follow your ranking.
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Lunar Savage wrote: I concur. The reasoning is sound. Question remains, how long do they stay? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year?
Lunar Savage
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BlueSky wrote: Good points.. Being able to leave multiple reviews may solve this as well
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
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ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
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Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I like these idea!
wyrm
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
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ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
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Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I would be for the numeric rankings gradually going stale over time, but I'd fight tooth and nail to keep the text. I in no way want that first review from Macros The Black to get deleted. It's a reminder of my first game and a badge of honor, as are many other reviews.
I *do* think there should be some mechanism for other players to comment on a text review (so if someone posts a really nasty review, other players can comment on that review instead of having to post on the reviewing player's comments), and obviously we need a "report comment" mechanism to cut off actual abuse ASAP.
I also think there needs to be some way to add to past reviews. I don't want to get a second "vote" of ranking numbers, but if I play with a player again a year after and update the numbers, I'd like the text and date of the original review to stay while I can enter new text for the new review. Maybe limit that to one review per shared game? So you can review any player once regardless of shared games, and write an additional bit of text after each shared game completes?
Narsham
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The Knockout Kid wrote: The reason I think deleting ALL reviews over a certain age is a good idea is because it creates a continued accountability towards a player as well as keeps reviews relevant. The sense of accountability to be a great player is lost when your profile page is littered while positive, albiet old, reviews. You lose that motivation to keep up your good name, and in a way that makes the game become boring to you. Plus, a review you received from a MAG 7 game almost 3 years ago might not be relevant anymore. Just because I won a few games back in 2003 doesn't mean I'm any good now, especially if I never strived to improve my skills or if I'm a returning player who has a bit of rust on me. And yet, because I have such glowing marks from years ago, most people will think that I'm just as good now as I was back then. This can distort the way a games diplomacy works as well, especially to those new to the game.
By only keeping a certain amount of reviews on a players resume, it makes the ones they do have...
1) more valuable to the player 2) keeps players motivated to continue playing 3) gives other players a much clearer idea of what a player is like NOW and not 5 years ago and... 4) makes players put more importance on what they do now rather than what they did back in 2004.
The Knockout Kid
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The Knockout Kid wrote: I would say just implement a system that deletes ALL reviews over a certain period of time. I'll explain in a little while. At a stop light.
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BlueSky wrote: There are some that leave over unjustified reviews. Having the ability to remove them after a period helps...
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ducky004 wrote: I like all of my reviews. Why erase them?
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Lunar Savage wrote: I can't see a reason unsubscribed players shouldn't have the ability to review. Especially if you roll with a free to play game with micro transactions or optional subscriptions for special perks.
On the note of removing reviews however, I feel that maybe while letting a player remove a review is okay, there should be some kind of mark on the profile that shows how many reviews they've removed. A player who likes to annoy people or play underhandedly shouldn't be able to fully escape all doubt or evidence to their actions in the past.
Also, removing the review the player left should not erase any numerical rating they are given. So they can erase the written review, but not the numbers given so that they still factor into his over all numerical reputation/rating.
Lunar Savage
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Management wrote:
Interesting. My initial thought is that's a good idea. At least for the time being.
Unless there are strong objections and compelling arguments against, I'm inclined to make that change.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I removed the restriction against unsubscribed players being able to submit player ratings/reviews.
Effective immediately all players subscribed or not, can review/rate other players.
If you ntoice any issues where it's not working for any reason let us know.
Also, if you experience or notice anything that you think may be an abuse of the privilege, please let us know about that as well.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
Newsworthy in lobby news I think!
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Management wrote:
I removed the restriction against unsubscribed players being able to submit player ratings/reviews.
Effective immediately all players subscribed or not, can review/rate other players.
If you ntoice any issues where it's not working for any reason let us know.
Also, if you experience or notice anything that you think may be an abuse of the privilege, please let us know about that as well.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
great minds....
wyrm
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BlueSky wrote:
Newsworthy in lobby news I think!
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Management wrote:
I removed the restriction against unsubscribed players being able to submit player ratings/reviews.
Effective immediately all players subscribed or not, can review/rate other players.
If you ntoice any issues where it's not working for any reason let us know.
Also, if you experience or notice anything that you think may be an abuse of the privilege, please let us know about that as well.
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wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
I would think a news flash is in order...
wyrm
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Management wrote:
I removed the restriction against unsubscribed players being able to submit player ratings/reviews.
Effective immediately all players subscribed or not, can review/rate other players.
If you ntoice any issues where it's not working for any reason let us know.
Also, if you experience or notice anything that you think may be an abuse of the privilege, please let us know about that as well.
-------Original Message-------
wyrm419 wrote: please turn this feature on to the unsubscribed. The loss of this feature was the blow that killed the commuinty. with no system there to track your actions there is no reason to be sure you do what you should be doing...
wyrm
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